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	<title>Comments on: Nguyen Controversy Made Singapore PM Proud</title>
	<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/</link>
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		<title>by: ninja-l-</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-271</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We should all blame the Pharmaceutical Chemists for concocting these drugs to begin with!! 
Hang them ALLLL!!!!!!

Okay no seriously... dont hang them...
We're really all not that bad...

Honestly though...
Its human nature to walk the line between certain chaos and order...
between what’s extremely psycho and seemingly cool...

Do one thing that scares you every day of your life...
That’s the way to live your life... and some ppl take it a step too far by doing things that are indeed scary and in fact dangerously harmful!

So where does that leave the drug traffickers and the drug users...?
Drug users should be institutionalised... in a VERY high security institution, and should be treated for their addiction...

Drug traffickers should be put in jailed and have all their wealth (gained from trafficking) taken from them... if and when they are release they should have their assets watched by someone...

And there should be a world unified effort to find out WHERE the hell and WHO the hell is producing these drugs...
find them...
shut them down....
Problem solved!

Easier said than done though huh?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We should all blame the Pharmaceutical Chemists for concocting these drugs to begin with!!<br />
Hang them ALLLL!!!!!!</p>
	<p>Okay no seriously&#8230; dont hang them&#8230;<br />
We&#8217;re really all not that bad&#8230;</p>
	<p>Honestly though&#8230;<br />
Its human nature to walk the line between certain chaos and order&#8230;<br />
between what’s extremely psycho and seemingly cool&#8230;</p>
	<p>Do one thing that scares you every day of your life&#8230;<br />
That’s the way to live your life&#8230; and some ppl take it a step too far by doing things that are indeed scary and in fact dangerously harmful!</p>
	<p>So where does that leave the drug traffickers and the drug users&#8230;?<br />
Drug users should be institutionalised&#8230; in a VERY high security institution, and should be treated for their addiction&#8230;</p>
	<p>Drug traffickers should be put in jailed and have all their wealth (gained from trafficking) taken from them&#8230; if and when they are release they should have their assets watched by someone&#8230;</p>
	<p>And there should be a world unified effort to find out WHERE the hell and WHO the hell is producing these drugs&#8230;<br />
find them&#8230;<br />
shut them down&#8230;.<br />
Problem solved!</p>
	<p>Easier said than done though huh?
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		<title>by: S-Kay</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-270</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But of course, it is very rare that this kind of argument would survive in court and the drug trafficker would escape easily as it is a two-way voluntary decision - the trafficker was not forced to sell (because he wants to make money too) and the addict was not forced to buy (because he went looking for the trafficker), which was why I said that it is a very subjective matter and it depends alot on the intention and the evidence they have. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But of course, it is very rare that this kind of argument would survive in court and the drug trafficker would escape easily as it is a two-way voluntary decision - the trafficker was not forced to sell (because he wants to make money too) and the addict was not forced to buy (because he went looking for the trafficker), which was why I said that it is a very subjective matter and it depends alot on the intention and the evidence they have.
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		<title>by: S-Kay</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-269</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-269</guid>
					<description>Cyrix : Ok, if you put it that way...

Well, usually you can escape bearing the full responsibility of a person's death but would still be partially responsible. For example, the trafficker would not sell the drug to the addict as he has no money and hence, the addict robbed and killed someone to pay for his drugs. Although the drug trafficker was not directly involved in the murder and robbery, he was the indirect cause to why the addict did what he did. If he did not approach or allow himself to be approached  by the addict, none of these would have happened. But bear in mind that this a very subjective matter. The degree to which a defendant (the trafficker for example) is responsible depends on how heavy the consequences of his action is. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cyrix : Ok, if you put it that way&#8230;</p>
	<p>Well, usually you can escape bearing the full responsibility of a person&#8217;s death but would still be partially responsible. For example, the trafficker would not sell the drug to the addict as he has no money and hence, the addict robbed and killed someone to pay for his drugs. Although the drug trafficker was not directly involved in the murder and robbery, he was the indirect cause to why the addict did what he did. If he did not approach or allow himself to be approached  by the addict, none of these would have happened. But bear in mind that this a very subjective matter. The degree to which a defendant (the trafficker for example) is responsible depends on how heavy the consequences of his action is.
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		<title>by: cyrix</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-268</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-268</guid>
					<description>S-Kay - &quot;If a person dies because of the drug which was distributed by a drug trafficker..isn’t that murder (although it constitutes more to manslaughter)&quot;

Who's forcing the drug users to buy the drugs from them? If I was approached by a drug seller in a party, and I declined, nothing's gonna happen to me. I can opt out. But it's different if a guy with a butcher knife comes after me just because I insulted his taste in clothes. He didn't give me the option to opt out. He's stabbing is the direct result of my death. A drug trafficker/seller isn't, if I didn't opt to buy it from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>S-Kay - &#8220;If a person dies because of the drug which was distributed by a drug trafficker..isn’t that murder (although it constitutes more to manslaughter)&#8221;</p>
	<p>Who&#8217;s forcing the drug users to buy the drugs from them? If I was approached by a drug seller in a party, and I declined, nothing&#8217;s gonna happen to me. I can opt out. But it&#8217;s different if a guy with a butcher knife comes after me just because I insulted his taste in clothes. He didn&#8217;t give me the option to opt out. He&#8217;s stabbing is the direct result of my death. A drug trafficker/seller isn&#8217;t, if I didn&#8217;t opt to buy it from them.
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		<title>by: cynthia</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-267</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>yeah.. shit does happen right. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>yeah.. shit does happen right.
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		<title>by: S-Kay</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-266</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks =)</description>
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		<title>by: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-265</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>S-Kay: I like your views. Well done. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>S-Kay: I like your views. Well done. :)
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		<title>by: S-Kay</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-264</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-264</guid>
					<description>If a person dies because of the drug which was distributed by a drug trafficker..isn't that murder (although it constitutes more to manslaughter) The drug traffickers are the main source of the problem hence their punishment is the heaviest among all. 

Rapist rape ppl and cause unwanted pregnancy and further social problems but drug trafficking leads to robbery, murder, theft, rape, and loads of other crimes. So weighing all the consequences caused by drug trafficking, I think the punishment is justified as appropriate. In fact, if they were given life sentence, they might use the prison officers as their middle person to keep in contact with other drug lords. I mean, c'mon..you think those prison officers won't forego the benefits? I doubt so =)

But I do agree that lethal injections should be used instead. It is definitely more humane. Hanging is a wee bit too old fashion and horrible. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If a person dies because of the drug which was distributed by a drug trafficker..isn&#8217;t that murder (although it constitutes more to manslaughter) The drug traffickers are the main source of the problem hence their punishment is the heaviest among all. </p>
	<p>Rapist rape ppl and cause unwanted pregnancy and further social problems but drug trafficking leads to robbery, murder, theft, rape, and loads of other crimes. So weighing all the consequences caused by drug trafficking, I think the punishment is justified as appropriate. In fact, if they were given life sentence, they might use the prison officers as their middle person to keep in contact with other drug lords. I mean, c&#8217;mon..you think those prison officers won&#8217;t forego the benefits? I doubt so =)</p>
	<p>But I do agree that lethal injections should be used instead. It is definitely more humane. Hanging is a wee bit too old fashion and horrible.
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		<title>by: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-263</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cyrix: Thanks for dropping by again! :) In my opinion, hanging and lethal injection are both as inhumane. According &lt;a href=&quot;http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11965-5080746,00.html&quot;&gt;to Singapore's former chief executioner Darshan Singh&lt;/a&gt;, execution by hanging gives the inmate a chance to repent by donating his/her organs, while lethal injection would render them useless. He, in fact hoped to have the chance to perform Nguyen's execution as his 48 years experience allows him to perform the hanging without any struggling on Nguyen's part. But oh well... every capital punishment is grotesque: Be it hanging, lethal injection or the electric chair.

Cynthia: Interesting question. It is notable that trafficking drugs in Malaysia, like Singapore, carries a mandatory death sentence. Remember Barlow-Chambers execution in 1986? They were two white Australian men. The Australian PM then, Bob Hawke also made a passionate plea to our former Dr. Mahathir; and Hawke made a cynical remark that the execution style was &quot;barbaric&quot;, which made Dr. Mahathir pissed and later led an aggressive Anti-Australian sentiment which almost harmed bilateral ties between the two countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cyrix: Thanks for dropping by again! :) In my opinion, hanging and lethal injection are both as inhumane. According <a href="http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11965-5080746,00.html">to Singapore&#8217;s former chief executioner Darshan Singh</a>, execution by hanging gives the inmate a chance to repent by donating his/her organs, while lethal injection would render them useless. He, in fact hoped to have the chance to perform Nguyen&#8217;s execution as his 48 years experience allows him to perform the hanging without any struggling on Nguyen&#8217;s part. But oh well&#8230; every capital punishment is grotesque: Be it hanging, lethal injection or the electric chair.</p>
	<p>Cynthia: Interesting question. It is notable that trafficking drugs in Malaysia, like Singapore, carries a mandatory death sentence. Remember Barlow-Chambers execution in 1986? They were two white Australian men. The Australian PM then, Bob Hawke also made a passionate plea to our former Dr. Mahathir; and Hawke made a cynical remark that the execution style was &#8220;barbaric&#8221;, which made Dr. Mahathir pissed and later led an aggressive Anti-Australian sentiment which almost harmed bilateral ties between the two countries.
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		<title>by: cynthia</title>
		<link>http://cypher.blogsome.com/2005/12/03/nguyen-controversy-made-singapore-pm-proud/#comment-260</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>what is done is done..i wonder what happend if Nguen is white? not vietnamise origin? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>what is done is done..i wonder what happend if Nguen is white? not vietnamise origin?
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